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Attack at Manchester Arena, at least 22 killed
Tweet Topic Started: May 23 2017, 06:43 AM (1,105 Views)
*Copy_Ninja*	May 26 2017, 03:43 PM Post #16
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Mitas May 26 2017, 03:13 PM But the attacker being born and raised here, if anything, would back up the point that the Middle East is 'destroying Europe from the inside'. Which I guess is technically what they are trying to do, by radicalising people born and raised in the countries where they target attacks, or other countries in the vicinity. Ditto with radicalising refugees. However, I disagree with Geralt's sentiments, which I read as 'don't let any people from the Middle East enter Europe (or the West in general) because they'll destroy us'. Obviously if you go via numbers, many, many more Middle Eastern people contribute positively to the Western countries they reside in than those who do so negatively, and to paint those people with the same brush just because they share an ethnicity is clearly wrong. I'm not sure there is an answer though. I feel for the immediate future at least, if not further, a unified front between everyone in the country is going to be hard to achieve. Radicalisation risks are already feeling ostracised by a society that is still ostracising them because of previous attacks, which is semi-excusable, and plain xenophobia, which is not. Even if that were to improve, it would take decades. Stronger vetting is clearly needed. The attacker was known to police as a potential risk for radicalisation and terrorist activities and was allowed to go to a country known for it's ISIL affiliations, as well as Turkey which is a known route into Syria, and then return. Maybe there needs to be a zero tolerance on cases like that, although it's obviously hard to toe the line between necessary action and discrimination. His point in the context of his post was clearly related to migrants being allowed in to the European countries but home grown terrorism is probably a bigger issue. You've touched on the ostracisation issue which is one of the key problems. I think people need to accept that there is no short term fix. It's just not possible, it's going to be a long and arduous process. It's why I shake my head when I see people saying we need to "demand action" or "stop this now" as if no action is taking place or the government is just too lazy to do anything. As for the last point, that's a failure of the police. He was known to them, multiple people had reported him. Why they didn't do anything is anyone's guess but there's been suggestions that cuts to the police budget are too blame. And this isn't just hot air, there's been stories from 2014/15 floating around where the Manchester police actually warned Theresa May that cutting the budget raised the risk of an attack in the city. She said it was "scaremongering" at the time.
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+ Steve	May 26 2017, 05:20 PM Post #17
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yeah I do wonder what the solution to all this is. They're not going to give in, it's their f***ed up extremist belief that they should do this and even if we completely left their country alone they'd want to kill all us "infidels" just for existing. It's going to take a stupid amount of time for it to fizzle out if it ever does. Sadly it seems the only effective way is to just cause more death and destruction until they're dead, assuming other groups don't form. A media attack in their countries could be effective there, make people come over to our side before their minds can be poisoned. Other than that we can probably only hope that religion gets phased out of the world gradually, it just doesn't help. Especially not when it can be used to convince people to blow themselves up for their favourite imaginary friend.
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+ Pelador	May 26 2017, 07:08 PM Post #18
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Take away religion and the anarchists just find another excuse to murder innocent people. It bothers me because there's no point to it. Senseless murder which achieves nothing.
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+ Pointer	May 27 2017, 07:00 AM Post #19
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Mitas May 24 2017, 04:02 PM Geralt of Rivia May 24 2017, 10:46 AM And they still welcome all from syria and isil countries The refugees need to be extremely analyzed before they are invited within europe. Also the security level of such event should be also increased I wonder how long the governments will wait till the mideast destroys europe from within You are part of the problem. /make it personal yeah/ I dont say we shall ban all of those people. I know a couple of guys who came from syria as refugees. We learn german here in germany. They are totally cool ppl. One of them is an engineer the other one is a musucian. It is good that the eu "open its borders" to invite those whose home got wrecked. Or whose lives have been ruined But Whats with the ppl from Egypt? Or the masses who just came because they think that the fences here in germany are all made of sausages. Who just came here to do nothing. They just show their fancy "i am amigrant " card, which they get whether they actually came from a warzone or not. They can not examine every persob. So a majority get the free pass .... and why? to live in the west . Living the money of the taxpayers and do nothing. A guy has iphone 7 and wears clothes i have never seen in stores. While here i am with a mid carder of samsung and clothes more than 4 years old. ( and i am supposed to be the taxpayer) And we havent talked about the "fanatic migrants" Yes as somebody mentioned above eu shall regulate the travels to to those counties where isil has bases. Or something. Or we shall too control the internet. For example bannijg those isil facebooks homepages from the eu. They can make it . But they dont . For the governments a couple of hundreds Manchester is nothing .... i mean they just dont care ...look what happened after the paris incident . "Collateral damage" they say. Unless it happens with one of them ..action will not be made And here i am questioning twice whether shall i go to London for a trip with my girlfriend due to the fact i kinda fear ... what if a bombing or an amokrun actually takes place while we are around Tl dr : i have no problems with the eu's migrant politic but regulations must be made. On the internet too. This current situation is nothingbut a mess. Copy and mitas : yeah and what makes different. Thw isil is in the middleeast. They indoctrine ppl in eu . Civilians who had nothing to do with them before. What is this if not " destroying something within" it is a better example this way. They made the dirty work with a non muslim. Problem still stands Edited by Pointer, May 27 2017, 09:04 AM.



* Yu Narukami	May 27 2017, 11:46 AM Post #20
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Regulate it based on what, though? Those serious terrorists aren't going to be parading around their allegiances, and 'extreme' vetting would just take so long and it'd be so cumbersome that it wouldn't be efficient in the slightest.



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